tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post2937847887539414381..comments2023-09-26T09:05:12.764-07:00Comments on <img width="100%" src="http://www.fullasylum.com/images/Web_Header.png" alt="Full Asylum">: Stop Tea Party Racism – If You Can Find AnyMichael Isenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02181783683014734505noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-81655191611702581412011-04-22T16:06:48.687-07:002011-04-22T16:06:48.687-07:00More like, "Tentatively no, pending further r...More like, "Tentatively no, pending further research into what Justice Breyer actually believes".Michael Isenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02181783683014734505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-32013045479538208492011-04-22T13:05:51.763-07:002011-04-22T13:05:51.763-07:00You didn't quite answer my question. I am gues...You didn't quite answer my question. I am guessing your answer is no.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01444847452082679722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-87094366852689241902011-04-22T11:10:28.992-07:002011-04-22T11:10:28.992-07:00Breyer dissented in Heller and partially dissented...Breyer dissented in <i>Heller</i> and partially dissented in <i>Citizens United</i>. IMHO, there was no gray area in these cases; the majority opinion was supported unambiguously by the Constitution. So with all due respect to Justice Breyer, it's hard for me to escape the conclusion that his "interpretation" of the Constitution looks a lot like "ignoring" the Constitution. Still, I want to be fair to him. I see he wrote a book <i>Active Liberty: Interpreting Our Democratic Constitution</i>. Maybe at some point I'll read it and post a book review.Michael Isenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02181783683014734505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-46626640195048634502011-04-22T08:28:54.227-07:002011-04-22T08:28:54.227-07:00There are other interpretations other than Justice...There are other interpretations other than Justice Scalia. Justice Breyer's democratic interpertation is just as valid. There are those of us who lean more toward his thinking. We also think that the Federal Government should cut spending and waste, but feel the government is needed to ensure that we continue to be "We the People of the United States". So, my question is: You mentioned that the tea party members have many different views, so "Is it possible, or impossible, to be a tea party member if you support a view of the Constitution like Justice Breyer?"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01444847452082679722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-75737224074334249052011-04-21T20:15:57.089-07:002011-04-21T20:15:57.089-07:00The conservative judicial philosophy is based on J...The conservative judicial philosophy is based on John Adams' idea that we should have a government of laws and not of men. That means a judge should not be able to interpret the Constitution anyway she likes in order to achieve a particular outcome (She should not "legislate from the bench"). She should stick to the text. If the text is ambiguous as to how it should be applied to a particular case, she can take the original intent of the authors (for which we have an extensive historical record) into account. For example, even if you believe (as I do) that abortion should be legal, Roe v. Wade was still a bad decision because the text (10th Amendment) is very clear that abortion is a matter for the states and not the Federal government. If leaving it up to the states is undesirable, then there is a process for amending the Constitution. Another bad decision was Wickard v. Filburn, which expanded the powers of the Federal Government significantly by claiming that a farmer growing crops on his own land for his own use was engaging in "interstate commerce". Wickard vs. Filburn opened the door for all kinds of overreaching by the Federal government, including the drug laws that are devastating our inner cities.Michael Isenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02181783683014734505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-10671169604081925152011-04-21T11:57:59.490-07:002011-04-21T11:57:59.490-07:00This a great example of how we cannot take the Con...This a great example of how we cannot take the Constitution as written as being perfect. There are times when it is worth the time, effort, and perseverance to amend and re-think. That is where my question is for the Tea Party, "Isn't there room in your movement for all the constitutional interpretations?"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01444847452082679722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-80287648490907851452011-04-21T09:18:48.092-07:002011-04-21T09:18:48.092-07:00That's one of the things I love about the Tea ...That's one of the things I love about the Tea Party - the members know their American history.Michael Isenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02181783683014734505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-56398950067657532252011-04-21T08:47:38.749-07:002011-04-21T08:47:38.749-07:00I was referring to the Federal Government not livi...I was referring to the Federal Government not living up to the principles of the Radical Republicans in the second half of the 19th century. I believe that the civil rights act 1875 was wrongly declared unconstitutional. If it had stood as the law of the land it would have reinforced the Fourteenth Amendment and prevented the "Jim Crow" laws.Readwritebluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01430863868721412025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-27999831147183759442011-04-21T07:26:01.972-07:002011-04-21T07:26:01.972-07:00Sam: Thanks for posting. You got right to the core...Sam: Thanks for posting. You got right to the core of what I was trying to say.Michael Isenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02181783683014734505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-87789104692965470952011-04-21T07:16:19.696-07:002011-04-21T07:16:19.696-07:00Matt: I understand Irwin's argument that Feder...Matt: I understand Irwin's argument that Federal intervention is not necessary to prevent discrimination, but why do you think the Federal government <i>prolonged</i> it? Are you refering to the <i>reverse</i> discrimination engendered by affirmative action, or some other unintended consequence?Michael Isenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02181783683014734505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-9672289593649709922011-04-21T07:10:26.699-07:002011-04-21T07:10:26.699-07:00Suzie: I believe the counter-protesters did repres...Suzie: I believe the counter-protesters did represent their unions. If you look at the top picture, above, they had pre-printed signs with the union name and local on them (that's how I knew they were steelworkers and bus drivers). At other (more courteous) standouts, demonstrators confessed to being paid by their unions to be there, as you can see in this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S518s32jjic&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">video</a> from <a href="http://fleming-hayes.com/" rel="nofollow">Fleming and Hayes</a> fine blog.<br /><br />You are correct that there has been bad behavior at Congressional Town Meetings by both supporters and opponents of Obamacare. You may recall the blog I wrote about it at the time: <a href="http://www.grebnesisrazor.com/2009/08/logic-now-more-than-ever.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.grebnesisrazor.com/2009/08/logic-now-more-than-ever.html</a>Michael Isenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02181783683014734505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-26621623952345721662011-04-21T05:05:34.786-07:002011-04-21T05:05:34.786-07:00I would be happy to debate any person or group ove...I would be happy to debate any person or group over the role of the Federal government in prolonging racism. Perhaps we could do it at Harvard and I could ask why they hate Black Cops?<br />http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/12004107411444/black-officer-sues-harvard-police-claims-bias/Readwritebluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01430863868721412025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-3348900409461615652011-04-21T04:49:46.831-07:002011-04-21T04:49:46.831-07:00I suppose its the way you look at it. Perhaps tho...I suppose its the way you look at it. Perhaps those union antics were also fringe people and does not represent unions. Also, there were the town hall meetings that tea party members went specifically to disrupt and not let anyone speak and answer questions.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01444847452082679722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-55562587478288573152011-04-21T00:20:55.861-07:002011-04-21T00:20:55.861-07:00@Michael and Irwin,
While Irwin's comment is ...@Michael and Irwin,<br /><br />While Irwin's comment is a valid point about"not dismissing a valid point", it is academic and based on what Michael said. What the original mention intends, our should intend, to address is not the validity of such the point but the fact that thuggish people have wrongly accused the tea party and showed up at the really to disrupt it.<br /><br />For intellectual integrity, It is incumbent on the disruptive people to prove their allegations, otherwise they are just propagandists there to disturb the peace.Sam Freedomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06468610365310899158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-86785077142780416312011-04-20T22:48:14.309-07:002011-04-20T22:48:14.309-07:00Suzie: Thanks for posting the link to this video. ...Suzie: Thanks for posting the link to this video. Most of the people on it (birthers, for example) are kooks rather than racists. An obvious exception is the man holding the sign with the N-Word. I did some research into it and found out his name is Dale Robertson. His claim to be a leader of the Tea Party movement is based on nothing more than acquiring Tea Party-related Internet domain names - he never actually led anything. He brought the offending sign to a February 2009 rally in Houston. The Houston Tea Party Society kicked him out of the rally and denounced him on their website. Given those circumstances, I think it is fair to say that Mr. Robertson does not represent the Tea Party.<br /><br />BTW Four of the signs in the video compared Obama's policies to Naziism. These are probably LaRouchies rather than Tea Partiers - that's their thing. Rachel Brown was a Larouchie - she's the one who Barney Frank called "stupider than a dining room table" when she brought a similar sign to his town meeting. You'll notice that the signs are pre-printed, rather than hand-made like most Tea Party signs. <br /><br />What did you think of the union antics at the Boston rally?Michael Isenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02181783683014734505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-27204426137253298052011-04-20T21:32:37.855-07:002011-04-20T21:32:37.855-07:00Irwin: Fair enough.Irwin: Fair enough.Michael Isenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02181783683014734505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-21944239394035902232011-04-20T21:17:49.043-07:002011-04-20T21:17:49.043-07:00Michael, while I don't think that enumerated p...Michael, while I don't think that enumerated powers discriminate on the basis of race, gender, or sexual orientation, I don't think that notion is ludicrous either. Many people believe that without federal government intervention to protect less powerful groups they would be discriminated against. I don't agree with them, but their position needs to be disproved, rather than dismissed.Irwin Jungreishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01457030206861790979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6726732507018408671.post-16334758079775569052011-04-20T19:01:59.734-07:002011-04-20T19:01:59.734-07:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaIAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01444847452082679722noreply@blogger.com